July 17, 2021

Ep 30 – The Journey Behind Jules Ingall Pursuit To Live The Life She Always Dreams of As A Kid To Become a Professional Photographer

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Ep 30 - The Journey Behind Jules Ingall Pursuit To Live The Life She Always Dreams of As A Kid To Become a Professional Photographer

Hey Wicked Hunters! I can’t believe it’s been 30 episodes so far!  In this episode, I’m excited to have Jules Ingall with us sharing her photography journey. Jules is a Community Manager Canon Collective Facebook Page and has been living her passion at an early stage of her life. Unlike many of us who fall in love with photography at a later point in our life, Jules had always wanted to be a photographer ever since she was little. She followed her lifelong goal and live the life she always dreams of as a professional photographer.  Jules’ work includes motorsport, travel, portrait and many more.  If you want to learn more about Jules’ work, you can find it here: • Website:  • Instagram:  • Facebook:  Other ways to listen and subscribe to the podcast: • Spotify –  • Apple Podcast –  • Google Podcast:  • Website:   • Tune In (Alexa) –  For those of you who want to learn more about The Wicked Hunt Photography: • Instagram:    • Facebook: • Masterclass:    • Photo print:  Don’t forget to leave a review on the podcast if you enjoy this conversation, it would help us to get found and help to inspire other photographers.



Jules Ingall  0:00
You hear a lot of photographers say that they kind of fell into photography, they were doing something else I know you were like that and you you know your journey kind of changed and you ended up in photography, even though it’s now your passion. I always wanted to be a photographer

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  0:24
Hey wiki hunters Welcome back to The Art of Photography podcast, where we share our passion as photographer and how photography have given us hope, purpose and happiness. And today, I have someone who’s been in true so many different genres of photography, and I’m so excited to introduce Jules Eno. How’re you doing, Jules?

Jules Ingall  0:45
Hey, Stanley, how you going?

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  0:48
Yeah, pronounce the last name right. In England goal. Okay, perfect. Sorry about that. Yeah, it’s so good. It’s great to have you here. Um, so, yeah, you know, I’ve been chatting with you and I have read a little bit about your journey. And it seems like you have really long journey. And I think it’s really interesting to have to have that. As someone who have gone through those different phases, because I know that each one of them requires a different, not only type of photography, but also a different type of approach. So yeah, welcome to the podcast and let us know a little bit about yourself and the history behind how you got into photography.

Jules Ingall  1:29
Thank you. Well, I guess, you know, you hear a lot of photographers say that they kind of fell into photography, they were doing something else, I know, you were like that. And you, you know, your journey kind of changed. And you ended up in photography, even though it’s now your passion. I always wanted to be a photographer. When I was, when I was little, I had an older brother, and he was really a big motorsport fan. And so we used to have a lot of banter and, and so my aim as a kid was I wanted to be a Formula One photographer, so I always had this, you know, passion for photography. So obviously, I started my journey in motorsport photography. And then like you said, it kind of, you know, saying, I’ve had had a lot of changes, you just actually hinting that I’m just really old, basically, because I keep changing. But I think, you know, it’s also about developing, it’s not just do it, you know, you do the one genre of photography? And do you find like, you kind of, you get to the point sometimes, where you like, you’re doing the same thing, and then you want to challenge yourself. And that was how I kind of progressed, I started in motorsport. You know, I lived overseas and, and, you know, travelled all around the world. And then, you know, then I ended up in tourism, and now I do portrait photography. So I think you just kind of keep evolving as you as your skills develop. And as you want to change kind of, you want to, you get really good at White, or you never, you never perfect photography that I think but you get really good at one genre. And then you want to challenge yourself and try something different. And that was kind of how I ended up progressing to all different sorts of photography.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  3:10
Oh, wow, that’s really interesting. So you’ve been wanting to be a photographer ever since you were like a little girl. That’s, that’s crazy.

Jules Ingall  3:17
And I didn’t end up as a Formula One photographer, unfortunately, I think I went to Europe and reality here to bed. And also, when when I first got into photography, it’s really interesting, particularly in the current environment in the world, when I first got into it, I was photographing the, what’s known as supercars in Australia now, and I was the only female and it was a very male dominated industry. And it was really difficult, like people just didn’t accept why a female wanted wanted to do it, and why you’re interested in sport. And this is, you know, we’re talking in the 1990s. And I think back then, you know, like, even at school, I was taught how to iron and men’s business shirt and be a good housewife kind of thing. So, so when I went to Europe, I found it was actually really difficult to try and break into it. I mean, obviously, it’s great. Now things have changed a lot. There’s, in in all industries, you know, there’s a really good mix of men and women, but back then it just it there wasn’t really a place for women. And it was such a tough battle. You know, a lot of other circumstances, but I never I never fulfil my dream of being a Formula One photographer, but I’m a photographer, and I absolutely, like it’s my passion. I love it.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  4:31
Yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s been an interesting kind of shift, isn’t it? I mean, it’s, I haven’t really experienced that that big kind of male dominant type of things. I know that we talk about it, but you know, a lot of my where I, my community and also all my friends actually have a good like, you know, a good balance of both female and male. So, I really, you know, I don’t really have as much experience of having that out. that big diversity, or I suppose that big, that big difference in in the in, in the male and versus female kind of industry in photography, but how how was that a challenge for you when you try to? Yeah, break into the industry? And what do you do to try to? What do you do that make you succeed? You know, in breaking that really tough industry, especially back then,

Jules Ingall  5:27
I think. I mean, I was a little bit fortunate, I was breaking into motorsport in Australia, and at the time as well, I didn’t know photography was different back then, too, because it was the pre digital age. And now a lot of there’s a lot of photographers, and it’s a really saturated industry, I think back then it wasn’t so much. So the fact that I, you know, went to all the events, and everything helped me as well. So I had an advantage, but then I probably cheated a little bit, I ended up dating, and now I’m married to a racecar driver. So, you know, that obviously opened a lot of doors for me, and, and we moved overseas together. And so you know, that, that gave me a lot of opportunity. So there was a lot of persistence. But I think, you know, if I’m totally honest, it helped a lot that, you know, I was, I was with who I was with, and I had opportunities that probably somebody else wouldn’t have had. So, you know,

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  6:30
being too modest. You know, like, it’s, I mean, it’s a big learning from there, you know, in a sense that, you know, networking is one of the most important thing, and I mean, especially like, I remember when I was doing a little bit of high fashion kind of shoot, there was a lot of groups where you could, you know, reach out and you know, have that access, especially now with, with the Facebook group and stuff like that. So I think that’s a very valid point to, you know, find friends, families, and one of the things that I like to do as I used to break down so one of the things that I like to do in and incorporate in my photography is this crazy pose. And when I go back to birth, I know who I’m gonna call to is, which is my niece and nephew, because they do like, you know, gymnastics. That’s so cool. So that’s, you know, it’s not it’s totally a valid point. So, yeah, thanks for sharing that. So, you know, you’ve you’ve gone to all these different genre, do you have like, any favourites amongst the like, you know, amongst these different one? And how, how does the evolution can kind of go like, you know, why, why you kind of, like, you share a little bit about how you got into motorsport and wanting to be a Formula One kind of photographers, but what really shift your journey into this different genre.

Jules Ingall  7:49
Yeah, so where I said, I always wanted to be a photographer, that I always wanted to be a photographer, but the way I fell into the different genres was probably a bit more just circumstantial. So like I said, we were living overseas, you know, travelling around, I was doing the motorsport photography, came back to Australia, still did a little bit of it. But then I got married, I had kids, you know, just my husband had a really busy career, I just didn’t really have much time for photography anymore. So I probably took about 10 years off, have really, I didn’t earn a living out of it for that period. It was more just, you know, photos of the kids and a bit of fun. And then once my children started to get a bit older, I started, you know, getting up and doing sunrise and just taking photos around my local area. We travelled around Australia a lot with my husband’s job. So I was taking a lot of landscape kind of photography. And then I started getting approached by tourism agencies about doing tourism work for them. And you know, someone offers you a pay trip to amazing places, and you have all these incredible experiences, you know, doing helicopter flights over the Great Barrier Reef and diving and snorkelling with, you know, manta rays, and it was just who wouldn’t want to do that. So that’s where my motorsport kind of, I’ve went away from that and then started getting into the tourism sector. And then, probably about four, four or five years ago, the tourism particularly with the introduction of digital photography, it was so oversaturated influencer market, you know, and you were getting all these influencers, and I mean, that’s a whole nother podcast, isn’t it with these people with their followers and selfies, and that just wasn’t I’m not a self promoter. I just like taking photos. So I kind of started to steer away from the tourism stuff. And then I just, I mean, I love people. I’ve travelled a lot. I’ve I’ve met a lot of really diverse people over my years and I love meeting new people and interacting with people. So then I just got into portrait photography, so I think none of them are fibered I’ve had amazing opportunities with every single genre at the moment My passion is shooting people and photographing people. And I love photographing people who are inexperienced, I did a shoot yesterday with a girl who had never been in front of the camera. She was so nervous. And I just really find I love that challenge. So, yeah, I kind of fell into the different genres. So I don’t know what’s next. I don’t know, where do you where to go to next. But at the moment, I love the portraits. Actually, Next, I want to be your assistant and travelling with you to some of the amazing places that you go to.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  10:29
Year to CHI. Yeah, I mean, it’s, it’s really interesting, isn’t it, like, trying different genre and kind of just following where the industry goes. And it’s interesting that you say, you know, like, the way the way your life kind of steer away where you go with photography, but photography was always there for you to be like, you know, that anchor. So I think that’s, that’s the other cool thing about photography, right? Because, you know, you have that ability to kind of just document whatever it is in your life. And, yeah, that’s, that’s amazing. One thing that I’m interested to kind of learn from you, and I’m sure the audience can, would love to hear this as well is like, you know, back then, I’d love to hear what’s the How was business in photography, like, you know, making breaking into the industry in photography back then versus now how is that different? I know that, you know, a lot of people say, all photography is oversaturated. But I know, we also have the privilege of social media where it’s easier to put our work out there. So it’s kind of like, you know, like, you win some you lose. So I’d love to hear your, your, your perspective on how does that change over over your journey?

Jules Ingall  11:46
Well, I think now, like you said, you know, there’s always people complaining that it’s oversaturated. But I think, you know, the cream always rises to the top, and if you’re good, and you have good work their work ethics. And you know, I think there’s always work and there’s plenty of work because because back when I was doing photography, it was digital, but there was no internet like, Oh, God, I sound so old, don’t I but, you know, I had my own darkroom. And it was, so the demand for photography was probably less as well. So now, there’s a lot more photographers, but there’s so much more demand, because everybody wants digital content. So I think now you know it, I actually, to be honest, I find it probably a little bit harder now. Because it is very oversaturated. And people undercut your price wise, because so you know, that’s one thing. But back when I back when I first started in the photography, I think my advantage back then was, you know, because I was doing the motorsport, I was the only one going to every one of the touring car races back then. So that gave me an advantage. And I got to know people. And then I got some big contracts with big car companies, big race teams, because I was always there. So actually, when I look back, and I was earning really good money back then. So I think it was probably easier back then than what it is now. Because even though even though it’s it’s a lot more saturated, now, there was a lot less people who were professional photographers back then. So even though there was less demand, there was also a lot less photographers, so you know, think, you know, between then and now, there was a lot of differences, but there’s always work. I mean, there’s always, for a good photographer, there’s always work.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  13:29
Yeah, I find that really interesting that you mentioned that because I feel that, you know, back then it’s a lot easier to find a niche Wallace. Now if you kind of have to, you know, dig deep, a little bit deeper into the niche and find that, you know, to be a person like you, who was the only person in that in that particular thing. And, yeah, it’s interesting that you mentioned that. But you know, I love how you how you share that you were just hanging around all these people. And you know, even with social media, I found that that works really well with you know, if you can provide value to the, to the to the company or the audience that you want to provide, or who want to be your customer, I find that you know, it’s still kind of work the same thing, except it’s just like you need to be truly unique in your own niche. So one thing that Yeah, I’d love to hear about what are your take on being like, how do you separate yourself from you know, from all these different photographers out there right now? What are some of your, your advice or your take on that?

Jules Ingall  14:37
Oh, if someone works out the secret to that, let me know too. But I think you know, people get to know you and there’s a lot of word of mouth and you say with porch or social media people see your work and that’s the kind of style that even though there’s a lot of people doing the same niches. Everybody’s different. I think you You said it in one of your previous podcasts, you can have a lot of people in the same place taking the same, you know, the same scene, but they’re all going to be different photos. So I think kind of, that’s one thing, but I think one of the first things I ever learned in photography is, know what you want, like, people always say to me, oh, I want to be a photographer. What do I do? And it’s like, okay, what what do you want? Do you want to earn money? Do you want to? What is it that you’re actually trying to achieve? And I think once you realise what you’re trying to achieve, it’s easier to start, you know, focusing on that. It’s not just I want to be a photographer, what are you find your niche that is a really difficult one, like you said, you know, I think a lot of people struggle with that. But also, if you’re trying to make money out of it, go do something else. Because it’s, I think photography is about passion, and doing what you love. And as long as, as long as you really, honestly love what you’re doing, it comes out in your work, and then that ends up resulting in you getting more work, because, you know, if your work is good people, people want to use you.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  16:08
Yeah, that’s, that’s really interesting, you know, that perspective of finding, finding what you want, I think that’s a really cool way of saying it, because I see that a lot of people that, that struggles to create something that’s truly unique is because they’re still like, in this emulation, period, and kind of just never get out of it, because they don’t really know what they want. And they ended up just recreating some of those, you know, some of the photo or the perspective that people take, so that’s really interesting that you mentioned. And, yeah, it could be really hard, especially now in the social media era, with kinda like everything just out there. But what are some of the ways that, you know, cuz, I mean, you were in, in travel, and now you’re in portrait? And, you know, there’s a lot of portrait photographers out there, like, how do you separate and create something that is different that makes people go back to you and find you as a photographer? And yeah, what are the different ways in your photography that kind of like, separate yourself to help to help your audience or your customer decide that, yes, I want to be on duty shooting my my portrait kind of things.

Jules Ingall  17:30
I think, like I said, I love people, and I love working with people. And I think making the person feel comfortable, you know, a lot of I think it’s like you said, a lot of people go, Oh, you know, there’s that photo of the Sydney Opera House, I want to take that photo, you know, and I agree with that, it’s a good way to learn to find, I always said, say to people find a photographer that you love, like on Instagram, or Pinterest or something. And, and if you love their style, yeah, you can try and copy it to start with, but you do start to develop your own style. So with portrait photography, I looked at, I always try and, you know, bring, I try and spend a bit of time with the people and, and I don’t try and do a portrait photo. So if I’m looking at you sitting there right now, I don’t just try and take a photo of your face, I try and spend 15 minutes with you first. And you know, normally the first 15 minutes of a shoot, I throw away the photos because it’s me getting to know you and and then I find out I hear a little bit cheeky and a little bit fun, and then try and work that into the shoot and bring out the person’s personality a bit. And, you know, just try and be authentic with your photography. I think I think photography is a lot like a lot of other things. People think I want to be a photographer, and I’ll go out and buy a canon or five and I can be a professional photographer. Some people just don’t have a natural, you know, you still have to have a bit of a natural eye for photography. So I think unfortunately, should I say like, there’s some people that no matter how good or equipment you give them, they’re just, I guess you you still have to have a bit of that natural eye. I mean, you can learn it but there’s got to be some sort of It’s like saying I want to be a racecar driver, but I’m never ever going to be good enough because I’m just not naturally talented at it. So I think photography is the same sort of thing. You have to be a little bit artistic, have a bit a little bit of that natural ability, equipment and all of that sort of stuff helps you can learn and you’ll always develop and get better. But yeah, just try and try and be authentic with what you’re doing. I think he’s my best piece of advice Don’t try and you know, people will take a sunrise photo do an amazing sunrise and they’ll just go out and take a photo. Think about what you’re doing and and what’s the photo of and I think when I take a particularly with landscape photos, I always think would I handle this on my wall? So it’s not just a photo of the beach or the sunrise it’s got to have Have some sort of subject and some sort of story when you look at the picture, so, I don’t know, I guess Yeah, that’s the way I look at it.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  20:08
That’s, that’s, that’s a great way to look at it. You know, I love how you, you the way you say that, you know, when you take a portrait, instead of just taking a photo, you try to get to know the personality and try to bring the personality and capture that in, in a form of photographs. So, you know, I think, like going back to photography, like you say, with with landscape, most people can just go there. And then like, you know, it’s like, oh, you have beautiful sunset or sunrise, but there’s no really soul in it. Because, you know, that’s, that’s it, like, it looks great. But what is the story behind it? And yeah, that’s, that’s great to hear that. It’s story is definitely one of the I think it’s one of the most powerful things in photography. And

Jules Ingall  20:53
so that’s what really draws me to, I think that’s what really draws me to your photography, you know, you obviously go to some amazing places, but you know, every photo I look at, and I just say, oh, it just blows my mind, because you obviously have a natural eye. But But I look at it, and you don’t even have to say anything, and there is kind of a story. And I think yeah, if people can, can really think about what they’re doing, and not just snap off. And that’s the that’s, I think one of the things that you learn a lot, because I started with film camera, when you took film camera festival, it was really expensive. So you couldn’t just shoot off, you know, some days, I’ll do a one hour shoot and take 400 photos, whereas back then you really had to think about every single photo was like, Oh, this photo is going to cost me money. And you know, say the same thing. Now really think about what you’re doing. And don’t just snap off a photo really have taken the scenery or whatever it is you’re shooting really have a point of what you’re taking, don’t just take a photo. So

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  21:59
when you say like a point, like what do you mean by like, have a point like, like a purpose behind that like that? That photo itself?

Jules Ingall  22:06
Yeah, why are you taking the photo? Like? Are you taking the photo? Because you want to get 100 likes on Instagram? We’ll just relax, because that’s a total waste of time. But yeah, what are you trying to say with your photography, so if you can achieve that, so if you’re doing a landscape photo, don’t sit and take the scene in and, and experience sometimes even I’ll, I’ll go somewhere, and I’ll take my camera and I won’t even take it out of the camera bag, I’ll just sit down and I’ll just enjoy the experience. You know, it’s not all what you really need to think about what you’re doing with your photography.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  22:43
Yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s a great advice. Yeah, I think, you know, especially like you say, with the digital era, you know, every click is, is free. And we take it for granted. So. And I bet like half of the photo is as well. You know, the problem with the digital is that hover over the photos, we probably never look at it again. And you know, with the film, like everything counts, because you have to print it to have a look at it. So you’re always revising to that. So yeah, it’s really interesting how this, you know, the, the easier it is, with technology, to take photo kind of can actually make it harder to become a better photographer. So yeah, really interesting kind of point. So, Jules, do you have any, you know, what are some of your most memorable moments in, in photography?

Jules Ingall  23:38
Oh, geez, I wish I’d have thought about that question. Like I said, I’ve had some unbelievable experiences, I think, you know, obviously, I think the tourism thing is the most memorable with the motorsport I got to travel a lot. And I experienced, I travelled all around Australia and a lot overseas. We lived in Germany, Japan, the UK, like, you know, had some crazy experiences living overseas and doing that, but the tourism side of things, I think, you got to do things that that were just so cool, like, you know, because Because tourism boards are trying to show off their best but even got to do cool things like you know, I flew out to a cattle station and in the middle of winter and it was freezing cold and had a bath, you know, out in the outback from bought a ball water from 500 metres under the ground and it was just so cool. Like it was such a raw authentic experience, you know, surrounded by the Outback and no diving and Great Barrier Reef. I’ve obviously done probably the majority in Queensland but even overseas with Canon in 2019 I did a trip to the Baltics and Russia went to Finland like that would just blew me away because it was some way i i never ever would have thought to travel. It was no Ever on my bucket list, no interest at all. And I had a two week trip over there. And it just was mind blowing, I was absolutely loved it, you know, we were staying in castles, you know, that were 1000s of years old. And it was just amazing. So I feel so fortunate with the photography. And I think that’s one thing with photography, even if you’re just an amateur, and you have a full time job, and you do it on weekends, it, it makes you even experience your backyard, more than what you you did before photography, you know, you’d go and travel to places, there’s places on the goalpost that I’d never been, until I picked up a camera as I’m gonna go photograph that. So I think it’s, you know, it’s such a positive, whether it’s a hobby or a profession, there’s so many positives about photography, and it’s, you know, you always feel so rewarded and satisfied after you take a great photo.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  25:53
Yeah, it’s, it’s really, I love how you put that because it’s, it’s interesting with with photography, it really changed your perspective. And it did it really push you to go to, you know, the places that you never think of, isn’t it? I mean, you know, like, like you said earlier, like, I go to all these places, but and a lot of that is motivated by photography. So yeah, I believe photography have a lot of great impact in and actually can bring a lot of great impact. Even, you know, even though the people haven’t gotten into it, too, into their lives, so, and it’s kind of why we do like, you know, this podcast because, yeah, like, you know, photography has changed my life. And I know, you know, it has made your life a better part of it. So it’s great to kind of hear that. Yeah. So I know that you’re super dedicated, not only with photography, but also with like, you know, community around photography, I know you like one of the admins in, in canon collective, which is like an Australia, Canon Australia community. How does, you know? Like, how do you manage or all that? And where does this passion come from, to, you know, like, I know that you’re busy, and you have a lot of this things like that’s happening, but you keep pushing to do this, you know, everything around photography, not only not only taking photos, and you know, supporting your, your life through photography, but also, you know, having that community and also building buildings, connecting with other photographer and creating that safe space. You know, how does that where does that passion come from, and, you know, what kind of push you to keep going.

Jules Ingall  27:38
I think the Canon collective page, I feel very fortunate that Canon asked me to be involved with that, because I was obviously a member of the collective page for a long time before they asked me to be an admin. But I feel like I’ve had a very privileged life. Like I said, I’ve, I’ve lived my passion, my job, it is my passion, you know, to be paid to take photos is for me, I I just feel so lucky. Like, I love doing it. You know, I feel so fortunate with the life I’ve had the travel, I’ve had so many amazing experiences that the thing that I find with photography is there’s so much more and more, there’s so much negative in the world social media, there’s so much nastiness, you know, I hate all that stuff I hate. I don’t like any of that sort of negative bullying, online bullying, and I find with the photography communities, it’s just not like that, particularly the Canon one. I mean, that’s obviously the one I’m most active on. I never see anything negative, you know, people are supportive. And the great thing about the Canon page, which is why I am so passionate about it is, you know, there’s people on there who only shoot with their iPhone. So they’re not photographers, and I don’t pretend to be photographers, but they’re passionate about photographers, photography, they’ve got a full time job, but they love taking photos. And, and people see good photographers, and they’re like, Oh, gee, I wish I could take a nice photo and I, and the satisfaction that you get when when, you know, in that Canon collective page, what we’re trying to do is give people skills to improve their photography be a great community, you know, supportive community encouraging each other. But also, there’s a lot of amazing photographers on there, like you like you’re very active on the page. And the way that, that the good photographers inspire the people that are just learning, and then you get messages from people that are just learning. They’re like, Oh, wow, I took this photo today. I never thought I’d take a photo like this. I’m going to print it and I’m going to put it on my wall and you just hear the joy that that gives me so much joy that, you know, I’m so passionate about that side of photography and what a positive. I just, I can’t see anything negative in it. And I think if we had more things like that, you know, how good would the world be if people were more like that all the time. So I think that’s what what inspires my passion for it.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  30:01
Oh, that’s, that’s amazing. Yeah, like, you know, that’s hearing that that is really good to hear, you know, especially being able to hear that, you know, even people who don’t have a proper a proper camera, um, for those who’s listening, I’m doing this thing, okay? To see. But yeah, cuz, you know, a lot of people think that you know, you need a proper camera, but in true fact is that you could shoot with any camera and it will still bring happiness and I love that you share that, you know, I love that you share how much the community can get inspired by other other other photographers or other people photos that have been like, taken and shared. And I must say you already do you and Steven is doing really, really great job in that in that community, you know, it’s more alive than ever. So, you know, one of the reason why I want you to be part of this podcast is for that reason is that you’re just make make the community more alive, you know, make everyone more connected. And that’s, I think that’s, I think we need more of that in this world. And it’s good to kind of see that. And you mentioned earlier, which is interesting topic, especially in this whole social media era is, you know, about this negative some of the negative comments or perspective in social media? What what are some of the ways that, you know, maybe you can share with the listener to, to try to avoid that, to try to harness a more positive community, you know, whatever, wherever it might be in social media, is I know, it’s a big problem. And, you know, I see it over and over again, where people just, I feel like people just like to bring other people down, you know, for whatever reason, but do you have any advice on you know, how to stay away from that, and how to, you know, stay positive and create more of an inclusive community around photographers, or, I should say, around everyone, including, you know, people who might not have the right kind of gear or the, again, called professional camera or DSLRs?

Jules Ingall  32:18
No, that’s, that is such a tough question. Because you could talk about this for hours. I mean, from my experience, being married to a racecar driver, and, you know, celebrity quotation marks, whatever, someone famous, I’ve seen some horrible, horrible stuff written about him over the years about me about my children, you know, and I think when I was younger, I would read the things and I would get so hurt by it, because people are writing these really nasty things. And they don’t even know you, they’ve never met you. And it’s the same thing. So then you see, the same thing happens, you know, someone will post a photo on a, on a thing, and on some sort of photography page, or whatever. And to me personally, like I hardly ever post because I’m so self conscious about my photography, and I don’t want to be judged, you know, but for someone to post a photo, they obviously think it’s good. Because if, if you think it’s a bad photo, you’re not going to post it on a public forum. But then you get smashed up by other people and are That’s rubbish. And you should learn, I just, I don’t understand why anyone would do that. And it’s really, really difficult. And I think for me, personally, it’s just experience that has taught me that people that do that it says more about them as a person than you as a person of photography, your skill, you know, and it’s very, very difficult, but you just have to ignore it. I that’s what I love about the Canon group and Canon Australia are very determined that there’s none of that. I mean, I haven’t experienced any of that. So far, I’ve been doing the job for seven months. So that’s what I love about I have not experienced at all but canon Australia have given us the directive, we will not tolerate that. So I think, you know, one of my best pieces of advice is there are groups out there that are really nasty, and people are very judgmental, and don’t be in those groups. And if someone is giving you nasty messages, block them, you really need to just you need to just be really brutal about it. If someone’s horrible, put them set them aside, because that’s not your people. They’re not the right sort of people. It’s not helpful. It doesn’t even if your photo is bad, what is it? Why is it I see people post photos, you know, and now say what can I do to improve and then people will jump on and go, Oh, straighten the horizon, you know, look at the source and it’s constructive and it’s helpful. Nothing wrong with that at all. And I think people appreciate that. But for people to smash you up, just you really need to just, it’s very difficult to do but You just need to move away from that, because it’s all it does is upset you and it’s I hate that sort of stuff, it just, I’m very passionate about that i There’s no need to be nasty ever in any circumstance.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  35:13
That’s, that is such a great advice. And, you know, how you said that it’s, it’s more about them and you know, just just, you don’t have to deal with them. And it’s that is very true. You know, you don’t have to take it personally and you just let them go. And like, you know, don’t deal with them. So that’s the really good advice. And I know, there’s a lot of people and, you know, I experienced that as well, when I first started is just, you know, like, we all started somewhere. And somehow, you know, some of these people when they get to where they are right now, they forget how bad they were when they started, because, you know, I can guarantee you they didn’t get that good right away. So, yeah, really good advice. And I appreciate that you share that. I think that’s really important, especially in this in this era of social media, like a lot of people have different opinion. And not everyone can, you know, say their opinion in a way that can be constructive? Like, like you mentioned? Well, that’s, yeah, that’s really great. I’m having a lot of fun with the conversation here, Jules. But we’re coming connect to the end of the podcast. And one thing that I always ask to all my guests is that, you know, if there’s one advice that you could give any, to, to photographers out there to the listeners out there, whether whether it’s about skill set, about motivation, or about mindset, what would that one advice be like, you know, what would that what what would come up in your mind right away that people should, you know what you have to do this,

Jules Ingall  36:48
okay, a couple of pieces of advice, know what you want. So if you’re, if you just want to take photos for your own, you just want to have fun, that’s great. If you want to take photos, because you want to earn a living out of it, you know, that’s a completely different situation. And you need to approach it differently. So know what you’re trying to achieve. And then look to other people that you admire, join groups, ask lots of questions. So, you know, look at a photo that you took, oh, wow, Stanley, I love that photo. How did you do that? You know, look, and, and that is how you learn and grow as well. So, you know, I always think follow people whose work you admire. And then always ask questions. 99% of photographers are always happy to answer questions, join groups, similar sort of thing. You know, like I said, the Canon collective page, there’s so many helpful tips, people are so generous about sharing their knowledge, and just keep learning all the time. There’s, I don’t think there’s any photographer in the world that is a perfect photographer, everybody’s always learning. So, you know, whether you’re just starting your journey, or, you know, there’s always more to learn. So, just keep asking questions. And, and the most important thing of all, I think, especially with photography is, you know, just keep passionate about it, and keep enjoying it because it’s such a fun, hobby profession, whatever it is, it’s it brings so much joy to so many people. So enjoy it.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  38:12
Oh, that’s that’s an amazing advice. You know, I wish I had listened to this, or I had talked to you about this. Because when I first started, I felt like I was alone. I felt like, you know, there’s no one to reach out to. But, you know, the groups like the one that you you take care of those, those really show like how people can be really supportive. And it’s I think it’s really good. A really important point to share with people out there that they are not alone that you know, there are groups and people who are willing to help you. So that is a really great piece of advice. Well, just it’s been a lot of fun. And thank you very much for sharing not only your stories, but also some of the wisdoms that you’ve learned, you know, throughout your journey. And I know there’s a lot of listeners that would be interested to learn more about you to see more of your work. What is the best way for them to reach out to you and to learn more about your work?

Jules Ingall  39:12
Thanks, Stanley. I’m just like everybody else. I’m on Facebook and Instagram and really just my name Jules Engle. And always, always happy to answer any questions as well because like I said, I think that’s how we all learn. So thank you so much for having me. I’ve loved talking to you and I love your work. Like you’re my pedestal if I could be half as good as photographers, you Stanley, I’ll be happy.

Stanley Aryanto – The Wicked Hunt  39:38
I know. You’re blushing it’s, yeah, it’s yeah, like honestly, you share a lot of wisdom in that group. And yeah, if if anyone who cannot want to get to know, photography or have any question, definitely reach out To us, because you’re very giving in in terms of the skill set, you don’t hold back on helping others to be a better photographer. And it’s just amazing to kind of see that what you call it like, again, why I’m doing a lot of quotes in this podcast, but yeah, one of the secrets a lot of people, a lot of photographers kind of hold it, you know, to their close to their chests. It’s like, oh, this is my recipe, but, you know, I love how you how you share a lot of this. Not only the way you think, but also the technical side of it. So yeah, that’s, that’s, that’s great. Um, so yeah. Weekends as hopefully you enjoy that, that conversation. And like I said earlier, check out Jules work, she got some amazing work. And she’d been doing photography from all the different genres. So there’s so much to learn from jewels. And I will make sure i’ll put the link on the comment below. So if you do want to learn, if you do want to reach out to her or work with her, you can do so on the link below. But thanks, thanks a lot for tuning in. And I’m glad to have you here. And if you haven’t already done so don’t forget to subscribe so you can, you know, get notified when I have the next amazing photographers and inspiring photographers like Jules in the podcast. But Jules, thank you very much for being here. Thank you very much for sparing your time. I know you’re a very busy person, and I really appreciate to have you here in the podcast. Thank you. Okay, well, we can just, that was it. And I’ll see you guys next week. Until next time,

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